[1837] SR should be 'sell then buy'

[ianwilson156]

(Hotseat game)
The stock turns are implemented as a "sell-buy-sell".
The rules say "In each turn in a stock round, a player may sell ... and then buy one certificate."

[crericha]

Maybe this rule changed with the all-aboard printing? Its sell-buy-sell now.

On their turn, a player may sell shares and may buy one certificate. These actions may be done in either order (sell-buy or buy-sell).

@scottredracecar was this an intentional change?

[philcampeau]

This player aid from 2017 lists the SR as sell/buy/sell.

The 18xx rules differences list says the same.

[ianwilson156]

1st edition rules are (probably) sell-buy-sell.
2nd edition rules are sell-buy (see above).

Which version are you implementing? Everything else is 2nd edition, why make this different?
I would suggest anything different from 2nd edition is made a variant.#

The main reason I'm fussing about this is speed of play. It wastes time (especially in live and hotseat games) if, after buying a share, one has to scroll back up and click "done".

[philcampeau]

From the second edition rules:

[ianwilson156]

That isn't 2nd edition? My game has rules with Roman numerals - version 2.0 dated October 3, 2015.

[philcampeau]

Ah, the version I posted is the one labeled second edition on bgg.

[ianwilson156]

Ah, yes - they are the 3rd edition rules dated 2021, and are the ones referenced from the AAG website. I wasn't aware that Scott had changed them again.
I guess we should stick to the latest version, so it's "sell-buy or buy-sell". And, unlike '35, you can sell what you just bought.

[scottredracecar]

There was no intention to change this rule, seems like an error in the latest rules.

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[scottredracecar]

I added errata that it is sell-buy now.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1puHQJV4eLeunOtu_RyqAT-_mBCI93u8dqSBNwWMsAiE/edit?tab=t.0

[scottredracecar]

Aside--are no games sell-buy or buy-sell (but not sell-buy-sell)? This is how I read the current erroneous rule.

[ianwilson156]

"Aside--are no games sell-buy or buy-sell (but not sell-buy-sell)?"
There are several: 1856 and 1870, for example.
See: http://www.fwtwr.com/18xx/rules_difference_list/2_1.htm