Nature of ID combinations

[Jegelewicz]

Often I make identifications through a combination of character diagnoses and geographic distribution, any thoughts on adding the ability to select two natures of ID?

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Jonathan L. Dunnum Ph.D.
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good topic and clean-up. I'm stealing some of Dusty's response above for some documentation on workflow with respect to CT. Maybe it's a new best practise page? I'll have to think about this, but useful prompt @dustymchttps://github.com/dustymc
meanwhile I think we can close this

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Originally posted by @jldunnum in #3940 (comment)

[campmlc]

I don't see a problem from a collection management point of view. Any database limitations?

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On Tue, Nov 9, 2021, 7:42 AM Teresa Mayfield-Meyer ***@***.***> wrote: * [EXTERNAL]* Often I make identifications through a combination of character diagnoses and geographic distribution, any thoughts on adding the ability to select two natures of ID? ------------------------------ Jonathan L. Dunnum Ph.D. Senior Collection Manager Division of Mammals, Museum of Southwestern Biology University of New Mexico Albuquerque, NM 87131 (505) 277-9262 Fax (505) 277-1351 MSB Mammals website: http://www.msb.unm.edu/mammals/index.html Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/MSBDivisionofMammals Shipping Address: Museum of Southwestern Biology Division of Mammals University of New Mexico CERIA Bldg 83, Room 204 Albuquerque, NM 87131 ------------------------------ From: Michelle Koo *@*. *> Sent: Monday, November 8, 2021 10:36 PM To: ArctosDB/arctos @.*> Cc: Jonathan Dunnum *@*.*>; Team mention @.*> Subject: Re: [ArctosDB/arctos] nature_of_id overburdened? (#3940 <#3940>) [EXTERNAL] good topic and clean-up. I'm stealing some of Dusty's response above for some documentation on workflow with respect to CT. Maybe it's a new best practise page? I'll have to think about this, but useful prompt @dustymc <https://github.com/dustymc>https://github.com/dustymc meanwhile I think we can close this — You are receiving this because you are on a team that was mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub#3940 (comment) <#3940 (comment)>, or unsubscribe https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AED2PA74IHA7DWCZLEKP3XLULCXO7ANCNFSM5EFWAMUA . Triage notifications on the go with GitHub Mobile for iOS https://apps.apple.com/app/apple-store/id1477376905?ct=notification-email&mt=8&pt=524675 or Android https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.github.android&referrer=utm_campaign%3Dnotification-email%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dgithub . *Originally posted by @jldunnum <https://github.com/jldunnum> in #3940 (comment) <#3940 (comment)>* — You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#4094>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADQ7JBBWNIYGAJUAAXR52JDULEXLHANCNFSM5HVO53DA> . Triage notifications on the go with GitHub Mobile for iOS <https://apps.apple.com/app/apple-store/id1477376905?ct=notification-email&mt=8&pt=524675> or Android <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.github.android&referrer=utm_campaign%3Dnotification-email%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dgithub>.

[dustymc]

two natures of ID

That would be Major Surgery.

[Jegelewicz]

So add "combos" to the code table?

[dustymc]

NO!

[Jegelewicz]

OK - so suggestions for handling the situation are appreciated because we obviously have nothing.

[campmlc]

No way to select more than one? Allow two nature of IDs?

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[dustymc]

If two THINGS are necessary then so is different structure. (And "two" is almost never what's really desired- that generally turns out to be either "one" or "many.")

I suspect this is best recorded as two identifications - eg, it looks like {species} and the geography makes it {subspecies} - but I don't have enough information to know if that's the case or not.

Whatever the situation (assuming NoID is actually useful to someone), the "correct" solution isn't overloading/denormalizing a concept.

[campmlc]

In this case, the determination is made by both features a geography, both sources of info are necessary.

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On Tue, Nov 9, 2021, 9:03 AM dustymc ***@***.***> wrote: * [EXTERNAL]* If two THINGS are necessary then so is different structure. (And "two" is almost never what's really desired- that generally turns out to be either "one" or "many.") I suspect this is best recorded as two identifications - eg, it looks like {species} and the geography makes it {subspecies} - but I don't have enough information to know if that's the case or not. Whatever the situation (assuming NoID is actually useful to someone), the "correct" solution isn't overloading/denormalizing a concept. — You are receiving this because you commented. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#4094 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADQ7JBCVDPKNIX2NUB7A3NDULFA6RANCNFSM5HVO53DA> . Triage notifications on the go with GitHub Mobile for iOS <https://apps.apple.com/app/apple-store/id1477376905?ct=notification-email&mt=8&pt=524675> or Android <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.github.android&referrer=utm_campaign%3Dnotification-email%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dgithub>.

[Jegelewicz]

best recorded as two identifications

I get this - but really? EVERYTHING about the two IDs would be exactly the same except for the nature of ID. That seems like a lot of excessive information and it will not translate at all as "I made this ID based upon BOTH features of the object AND geographic information".

[campmlc]

So our data structure can't handle the reality of how identifications are made? That sounds like a problem with the model.

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On Tue, Nov 9, 2021, 9:09 AM Teresa Mayfield-Meyer ***@***.***> wrote: * [EXTERNAL]* best recorded as two identifications I get this - but really? EVERYTHING about the two IDs would be exactly the same except for the nature of ID. That seems like a lot of excessive information and it will not translate at all as "I made this ID based upon BOTH features of the object AND geographic information". — You are receiving this because you commented. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#4094 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ADQ7JBBHNQWLW7HZRJE4LUDULFBSRANCNFSM5HVO53DA> . Triage notifications on the go with GitHub Mobile for iOS <https://apps.apple.com/app/apple-store/id1477376905?ct=notification-email&mt=8&pt=524675> or Android <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.github.android&referrer=utm_campaign%3Dnotification-email%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dgithub>.