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"sid": "9vw5qw",
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/",
"title:": "I got roasted in my stanford interview yesterday.",
"text": "TL;DR at bottom. \n\n\n[UPDATE](https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/a46gxi/that_stanford_interview/?st=JPESTVPD&sh=96d699ce) \n\nYesterday, I had my stanford interview. \n\nI arrived ahead of time and was just taking notes in my notebook, seems a small detail but it\u2019ll be used later on. \n\nWhen he came, I shook hands and he insisted we sat outside. It was freezing cold, but I obliged nonetheless. He asked quite naturally to just introduce myself and I did... but he just interrupted me and went \u201csorry, I didn\u2019t catch you. I just saw a beautiful girl. Could you repeat?\u201d. I kinda got an odd feeling from the off with this. \n\nHe asked me about what I do in IB, and I did so and explained my extended essay to him. He then proceeded to critically question it with various complex issues with the experiment I did for it (it was in physics, and he has a PhD in electrical engineering). He asked for the equation I derived, and obviously I can\u2019t remember so I told him it was a long formula but I can\u2019t quite remember. He responded by essentially telling me my experiment is quite simplistic, and it can\u2019t be that long and complex. Then flexed his thesis that derived an 11th order formula. \nFor reference, my extended essay was predicted an A. \n\nHe asked about my econ coursework for the IB as well, and we had a short debate about monetary policy of the Fed. However, when explaining my opinions to him using simple economic concepts, he simply told me I don\u2019t make sense. \n\nThis was about 10mins in. \n\nHe then proceeded to tell me \u201cyou spend your whole life studying. You won\u2019t succeed at Stanford, you will struggle massively.\u201d\n\nHe hadn\u2019t asked once about what I do outside of school or ANYTHING. Nor had he seen my resume or common app beforehand. Zilch. I am convinced in hindsight he made such a comment simply because I was so into our academic discussions as an Asian. I\u2019m convinced it was racial stereotyping. \n\nI refuted that claim, naturally. \nI explained all the things I do and he decimated each and every one. \n\nI run a funny podcast with friends for enjoyment. He ripped into it as \u201cit does not have a purpose\u201d despite me explaining we do it for the enjoyment and entertainment of content creation. \n\nI explained the two international honours I\u2019ve received. One of them was a 3rd place. He asked me why I didn\u2019t win, and when I gave my answer, he asked what the first place team\u2019s project was. He told me \u201cthat\u2019s actually innovative, all you\u2019ve done is manipulate a few numbers. \u201c. \nI explained my next one, and he said \u201cI\u2019m not interested in things you\u2019ve done for competitions\u201d. \n\nHe asked me why stanford. I give a whole host of reasons ranging from the culture and how I clicked with students when I visited, all the way to specific societies and research groups that sound interesting to me. He told me \u201cthat\u2019s not quite good enough. You can find that entrepreneurial culture in any university.\u201d He asked where I\u2019m applying other than Stanford, then told me \u201cyou don\u2019t make sense. these universities don\u2019t have any entrepreneurial culture at all\u201d. \n\nThe colleges I named? Harvard, Princeton, Cornell, USC, NYU (am applying to more but didn\u2019t want to rattle off a list of 10). He also insulted USC and NYU saying they\u2019re simply \u201cparty schools with average academics\u201d. \n\nThen he asked me what my \u201cthing\u201d is. I asked him to clarify what he meant, and he said \u201ceveryone has something they\u2019re amazing or world class at such as sport, drama or music. What about you?\u201d \n\nNow I\u2019m sorry I\u2019m not an Olympic athlete, a talented actor or a world class musician. I can\u2019t help that. I do what I do and have excelled at what I enjoy- and I enjoy a few areas. He called me \u201cuninteresting\u201d and told me \u201cyou will blend in with the 50,000 applicants, you\u2019re not differentiated. \u201c\n\nHe asked me about what I want to do when I\u2019m older. I told him I want to start a company. He responded \u201cthere\u2019s no evidence you can do this. You have no evidence. You\u2019re 17,18, why haven\u2019t you built a successful company already?\u201d \n\nI have family responsibilities and don\u2019t even know which area I love most to start a company in. What does he expect from me?\nHe then told me \u201creal passion and evidence\u201d is like this example of a girl who did debating since she was 9. \n\nHe then asked about what drives me. I open up about what drives me... and he completely shut me down and told me it\u2019s \u201cnot really a motivation\u201d.\n\nHe questioned me on if I drink alcohol. Obviously I say no even though I do.... then he criticises me and says it\u2019s \u201cridiculous that You follow your parents wishes even when they\u2019re not around\u201d. Eventually I break my guard and say I have the odd beer with friends. \n\nThen, he wrapped up the interview by telling me \u201cI know what I\u2019m saying is probably making your mind race at 100mph behind that superficial smile of yours but you have to drop that. \u201c in a serious tone. \nHe told me I \u201cdon\u2019t have a story, narrative or drive in life\u201d and to go and \u201cfind them and email it\u201d to him. \n\nHe said he would email me what he\u2019s going to report to stanford and \u201cnot to be disheartened by it\u201d. \n\nThen, as he\u2019s leaving he tells me \u201ctake your little notebook, reflect and sit there and take some notes on what I\u2019ve said. \u201c\n\nAs I said, in hindsight his comment about me spending my life studying was imo racially driven. In hindsight, I should\u2019ve respectfully terminated the interview there and then. \nHe had no right to make such a comment. \n\nI should\u2019ve been self aware of the situation, instead I was taken aback by his comment and too involved.\n\nAdvice: if an interview is going badly, be self aware. Don\u2019t take shit, even if you think your future is in their hands - because it really isn\u2019t. \n\nHonestly I\u2019d rather have taken the L there and then from Stanford (most likely happening anyway) than sit through and defend myself against a constant unfair, unwarranted bombardment of criticism. The tone he took with me was condescending at best. I was nothing but polite and sincere. Luckily, I\u2019m not too upset by this. Just pissed off. If it were someone sensitive, with the way he spoke, they could well have been in tears. \n\nTL;DR: Interviewer was a huge asshole and constantly criticised me. I believe he stereotyped the fact I\u2019m Asian when he told me I \u201cspend my life studying\u201d and thus will \u201cstruggle at Stanford\u201d without knowing anything about me. Advice: don\u2019t take shit from interviewers. I should\u2019ve walked out there and then. \n\nEDIT: This lasted 2 hours. \n\nEDIT: Thank you to everyone. I appreciate the support and amazing advice - even those that have been downvoted.\n\nEDIT: I am Male. \n\nEDIT: There will be an update post after decisions are released by December 15. \n\n[UPDATE](https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/a46gxi/that_stanford_interview/?st=JPESTVPD&sh=96d699ce) ",
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"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9g645m/",
"text": "I just sent you a PM but wanted to pop in here to make sure you see it. I am a volunteer leader with the Stanford Alumni interview program and what you experienced is absolutely horrifying to me. It is entirely inappropriate and the antithesis of what we want our interview program to be. Check your inbox and if you're comfortable sharing, I will make sure this matters gets addressed appropriately and immediately.\n\nAgain, I am so sorry. This is not what Stanford or the Stanford community stand for in any way, shape, or form. If you're willing, I am willing to do everything in my limited power to help make this right.\n",
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"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gddrx/",
"text": "Booyah!",
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"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9h1bze/",
"text": "\"but you won't get in because your writing is terrible and you're annoying.\"",
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"e9iisnz": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9iisnz/",
"text": "Boo-nah?",
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"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gz7mz/",
"text": "Peggy Hill!",
"author": "maybedelaney",
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"e9hcshh": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9hcshh/",
"text": "Whoooo ya",
"author": "boopsnooter",
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"e9ghtck": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9ghtck/",
"text": "How does the interview program usually handle complaints like this? And how frequent are they?",
"author": "LeftSafety",
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"upvotes": 188,
"replies": {
"e9gjeir": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gjeir/",
"text": "All alumni interviewers sign an agreement and go through training in order to participate in the program. Inappropriate behavior in breach of that agreement would get you flagged as ineligible for interviews in the system (every interviewer has info/notes on their account for folks like me who match and manage interviewees/ers) and may result in removal from the program.\n\nIn terms of frequency, I've been with the program since it started a little under 10 years ago and I've never seen anything like this. We've received feedback here and there about alumni not asking good questions or long awkward pauses (which is just a matter of training/re-training) but most of the stuff I've seen or heard in my experience is fairly rare and benign. All alumni who participate in the program self-select, volunteer their time for free, and go through training to be in the program so the population is generally one that really wants to be part of the program and contribute in a positive way.",
"author": "VideSupra",
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"e9h0epo": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9h0epo/",
"text": "> All alumni who participate in the program self-select, volunteer their time for free, and go through training\n\nNot to be a bit cynical, but this sounds precisely like it would enormously favor people who want to act like the person who interviewed OP does.",
"author": "losian",
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"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9h36b5/",
"text": "Your post is uninteresting and not creative you won't fit in this Stanford thread.",
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"upvotes": 119,
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"e9hm9po": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9hm9po/",
"text": "i hate to jump on the bandwagon but i had a super nice interviewer for my early school and I was still nervous afterword. Clap \u2018em.",
"author": "DHPNC",
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"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9i4c96/",
"text": "Have there been any internal Stanford studies evaluating the fairness, equality and effectiveness of the application program? An idea springs to mind about seeding the program with 'test candidates' who are selected and trained to look for positive and negative cues.\n\nIs there an easy, encouraged way for applicants to give feedback on the interview process and their interviewers other than complaints? This can give more wide-ranging and valuable information than complaints alone.\n\nDefinitely bring this to the notice of other alumni leaders in the program -- imagine denying the next einstein! \n\nI highly suggest looking at the applicants that were handled by this guy, at the very least, those handled for this application term. This sounds like repeat behavior and other highly motivated, educated candidates with otherwise good chances to succeed might have been denied unfairly.\n\nStatistics on applications:\n\nThere were 44k applications to Stanford in the 2017-2018 admissions cycle[1]. Conducted in 53 locations in the US and its territories, and 58 countries across the world[2]. Interviewers typically conduct 4-6 interviews per admissions cycle, though some alumni enjoy the program so much, they offer to do 10 or more[3].\n\nThat's an estimated 6300 alumni participating yearly. In such a large organization, understanding details at the lowest level through oversight, transparency and methods of communication are vital to improving the effectiveness of programs.\n\nHopefully some of this helps spur further discussions at Stanford and engages other readers. \n\nCitations:\n\n[1] https://ucomm.stanford.edu/cds/\n\n[2] https://admission.stanford.edu/alumni/oval/interviews.html \n\n[3] https://admission.stanford.edu/alumni/oval/faqs.html#interviews (Answer number 18.)\n",
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"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9hbsrh/",
"text": "i\u2019m in college but can you get me into stanford lol ",
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"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gyok7/",
"text": "As opposed to?",
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"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9glhwy/",
"text": "This is why I love Reddit",
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"text": "Your post is uninteresting and not creative you won't fit in this Stanford thread.",
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"text": "You like reading prepared PR disaster pieces?",
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"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9glwld/",
"text": "Give him another interview, except this time with a decent human being. In my opinion though, he should take his money elsewhere. It's not like Stanford is the only good school in this country. Stanford be damned, we don't need to patronize fuck heads like this. ",
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"e9helfk": {
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"text": "\"Beautiful girl\"",
"author": "PanickedPoodle",
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"upvotes": 20,
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"e9j5qwa": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9j5qwa/",
"text": "\"EDIT: I am Male.\"",
"author": null,
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"e9k0mt3": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9k0mt3/",
"text": "Oh wow, he was talking about some *random* beautiful girl walking by? Just bonding over some creepy mysogeny?\n\nThat guy shouldn't be doing Stanford interviews. That's insane. ",
"author": "PanickedPoodle",
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"eb6m61z": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/eb6m61z/",
"text": "I know the dude\u2019s an asshole, but that\u2019s not misogyny.",
"author": "countryside_epiphany",
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},
"e9klw5h": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9klw5h/",
"text": "It's not like we can do anything about it. The guy is likely tenured and untouchable. ",
"author": null,
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"replies": {
"e9krbdg": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9krbdg/",
"text": "I thought alumnus conducted initial screenings at most schools?",
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"e9gsz1t": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gsz1t/",
"text": "plot twist, videsupra is the interviewer",
"author": "notParticularlyAnony",
"created": 1541913689,
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},
"e9h0bud": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9h0bud/",
"text": "That is both the kind of response gotham wants and also the kind it needs.",
"author": null,
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"e9h8rr1": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9h8rr1/",
"text": "Sadly, this is probably very common. All bodies state, \"this type of behavior is against the core values of x\". Yet, it happens so frequently and nonchalant that it sure doesn't seem like unusual behavior. ",
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"e9gj7gj": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gj7gj/",
"text": "Oh this is gonna be a good thread!",
"author": null,
"created": 1541903293,
"upvotes": 15,
"replies": {
"e9gpbed": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gpbed/",
"text": "imma get the popcorn",
"author": "UpbeatWord",
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"upvotes": 9,
"replies": {}
}
}
},
"e9gml3p": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gml3p/",
"text": "OP, Look here!!! ",
"author": "MorningkillsDawn",
"created": 1541906681,
"upvotes": 9,
"replies": {}
},
"e9gqxzk": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gqxzk/",
"text": "this guy! I like him. ",
"author": "ThanksToDenial",
"created": 1541911172,
"upvotes": 3,
"replies": {}
},
"e9hd08i": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9hd08i/",
"text": " justice boner achieved",
"author": null,
"created": 1541946815,
"upvotes": 1,
"replies": {}
},
"e9hdn4v": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9hdn4v/",
"text": "Hope the OP takes you up on this.",
"author": null,
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"upvotes": 1,
"replies": {}
},
"e9hhj8l": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9hhj8l/",
"text": "Sounds like he had his mind made up before he started talking to the poor kid.",
"author": "IamOzimandias",
"created": 1541950823,
"upvotes": 1,
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},
"e9hvum8": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9hvum8/",
"text": "We did it reddit!",
"author": null,
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"upvotes": 1,
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"ebc46lw": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/ebc46lw/",
"text": "If the description of the interview is accurate - Looks like Stanford let a psychopath with misogynistic racist tendencies graduate. #metoo\n\nHe must have been a legacy ROFL ...",
"author": "vhooloo",
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"upvotes": 1,
"replies": {}
},
"ebfc8m8": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/ebfc8m8/",
"text": "WIN ",
"author": "tacmouse",
"created": 1544362236,
"upvotes": 1,
"replies": {}
},
"e9gpnaj": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gpnaj/",
"text": "Who is the individual. This is disgusting and needs to be outed.",
"author": null,
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"upvotes": -4,
"replies": {
"e9gr1qz": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gr1qz/",
"text": "No witch hunting. While I'm sure /u/breadwinner235 is being honest, but none of us have investigated the claims, so none of us know enough information to publicly disgrace that person.",
"author": "spammishking",
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"e9hc88e": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9hc88e/",
"text": "Troll",
"author": "rskogg",
"created": 1541945993,
"upvotes": -2,
"replies": {}
}
}
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"e9fxxhl": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9fxxhl/",
"text": "I am a high-end college adviser in Los Angeles. What you experienced is absolutely inappropriate and I would recommend writing a lengthy letter to Stanford admissions describing your experience. They will definitely want to know that one of their interviewers is acting this way. Be sure to mention the \"beautiful girl\" line, specifically. That is wildly unprofessional.\n\nIf you want to take a strong, principled stand, state firmly in your letter that you are rescinding your application from Stanford and would appreciate a refund of the application fee due to this experience. \n\nIf you do not decide to rescind your application, writing this letter well is likely to increase your admission chances, honestly. I'm sorry to hear that you had such a horrible experience :(.\n\nedit: read some replies. I agree that the guy is just an asshole and probably not a racist. He's clearly the type that enjoys acting smarter than everyone in the room. For future interviews, though, do make sure that you can explain your research in great detail without notes. That is pretty important, for what it's worth. And although I personally disagree with the tactic, it's entirely possible that other interviews at your chosen schools will *feel* hostile and challenging. Part of what this is intended to tease out is the both the strength and grace of your intellectual spine. That said, this guy is about five steps beyond anything resembling a line.",
"author": "deportedtwo",
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"e9fyh89": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9fyh89/",
"text": "Thank you for your advice. Appreciated. Would you say that it is worth mentioning that I felt as if I was being stereotyped, even if it was not his intention?",
"author": "breadwinner235",
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"upvotes": 815,
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"e9fypsj": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9fypsj/",
"text": "I would not talk about your feelings (beyond that you found his conduct inappropriate) so much as the specific things he said. I'd be more than happy to review a draft for you via PM if you'd like. Fire away at your leisure :).",
"author": "deportedtwo",
"created": 1541884709,
"upvotes": 909,
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"e9gt4or": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gt4or/",
"text": "To maybe explain why deportedtwo is advising this (and I agree with him) - let them draw the (not unreasonable) conclusion he was stereotyping. If you confine yourself to the facts you look objective and rational. If you start to speculate his motivations, and if they don't agree with you, at that point in your narrative, they will start to think you're biased. \n\nFrom just the facts in your story it's easy to assert everything you believe about his mindset, and they will. You just don't have to put yourself out there with (very reasonable) speculation about what was going on in his mind in order to have the desired impact.",
"author": "WastingTimeIGuess",
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"e9h46gg": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9h46gg/",
"text": "A lot of people are stating his behavior wasn't racially driven, however a lot of these high profile institutions are discriminatory against Asian students in admissions specifically. Harvard just recently got in trouble for it.\n\nSpecifically comments about his studying habits could be taken that way. It's not a direct indicator, but worth bringing up. Especially with their weird expectations of Asian students at well known \"brand name\" colleges.",
"author": "Rangerstation01",
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}
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"e9gjj5o": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gjj5o/",
"text": "/u/breadwinner235 please work with this kind person to make sure your delivery is appropriate. As said a thousand times, you need to report him",
"author": "YoitsTmac",
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"upvotes": 272,
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},
"e9hc2ju": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9hc2ju/",
"text": "That's such a generous offer. Wow, people are really coming together in this thread. So heart warming.",
"author": "ruttut",
"created": 1541945796,
"upvotes": 7,
"replies": {}
},
"e9hhcan": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9hhcan/",
"text": "You\u2019re a good person ",
"author": "RyanIMG",
"created": 1541950680,
"upvotes": 3,
"replies": {}
}
}
},
"e9gak90": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gak90/",
"text": "It's hard to say, because he was just an asshole all around.\n\nI have dealt with plenty of people that sound like this clown.\n\nThey just think they are better than everyone else.\n\nMentioning feeling stereotyped when it may be difficult to prove might only complicate reporting him and allow him some sort of wiggle room to make it seem like you are perceiving things incorrectly.\n\nYou report him for being an asshole and he'll have more difficulty proving you wrong.\n\nBecause he was definitely an asshole.\n\nBut only *possibly* racist.\n\nSee what I'm saying?",
"author": null,
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"upvotes": 91,
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"e9h0ax9": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9h0ax9/",
"text": "Agreed.\nNot to sound like an asshole but don't pull the race card purely on speculation. That'll just make you look dramatic and accusatory. Nobody wants to touch that.",
"author": "Fickle_Freckle",
"created": 1541925565,
"upvotes": 21,
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}
}
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"e9gc93m": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gc93m/",
"text": "His actions were inexcusable, but you'll meet people like this in life, especially people with the intellectual tact to back it up. Learn to defend yourself and your position without sounding \"defensive.\" Concisely state your refutations and proof to validate it, this will demand respect from others.\n\nI certainly disagree with his tactics, but I've been picked apart dozens of times in professional settings for high paying jobs. Remain calm and collected and you'll learn the skills to hold your own in these situations.\n\nI personally didn't go to Stanford, but my father earned a PhD in Physiology from there and has shared stories of similar types of personalities.\n\nGood luck!",
"author": "TheHerpSalad",
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"upvotes": 80,
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"e9gd4n2": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gd4n2/",
"text": "I most certainly did my best to respectfully and assertively tell him why I disagreed and believed he was wrong at each turn. ",
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"upvotes": 76,
"replies": {
"e9gqsib": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gqsib/",
"text": "You did the best you could in that situation. Some people are full of themselves. Please report him in as much detail as you can remember.\n\nHis entire performance strikes me as odd. It seemed that he was not only actively trying to dissuade you from applying, but wanted you to storm out of the interview. ",
"author": "reddog323",
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"replies": {}
},
"e9geui5": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9geui5/",
"text": "Then you did all you could and prepare for more people like that in life.\n\nI'd follow the advice of the top comments and report him in a detailed letter. I agree that by addressing concerning behavior to admissions will increase your chances of being accepted.",
"author": "TheHerpSalad",
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"e9gyo71": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gyo71/",
"text": "Good for you. There is content and delivery, it sounds like they failed in their delivery, massively. If at some point in an interview someone decides they are not going to recommend you for an admission or a job, it is great and ideal that they essentially tell you the reasons why they think you are not qualified. This is good. It gives you a chance to respond to the reasons they have decided against you - because maybe they still might change their mind if you had some great counter-points they were not considering. This person failed in the delivery of those points because they were demeaning and dismissive. I just wanted to say that it is good to hear constructive feedback, but not if it is delivered in a negative manner. ",
"author": "lurker_cx",
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"upvotes": 6,
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},
"e9gl6l3": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gl6l3/",
"text": "Honestly, interviews are both ways. There are a lot of autistic assholes at/from Stanford.",
"author": "upboat_allgoals",
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"upvotes": 9,
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}
}
}
}
},
"e9gh7t9": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gh7t9/",
"text": "I would agree with some of the others that speculating on the cause of his behavior will weaken your case. His behavior was unacceptable regardless of the reasons.",
"author": "FiveEightFiveBC",
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"upvotes": 10,
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},
"e9gfzzt": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gfzzt/",
"text": "Not the original commenter but I think you should mention it. The last thing Stanford probably wants right now is being exposed for discriminating against Asian students (especially since your story is much more blatant/concrete racism than plain old affirmative action).",
"author": "cmuquestion123",
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"upvotes": 15,
"replies": {}
},
"e9gqh6p": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gqh6p/",
"text": "Yes. The Title IX ~~Inquisitors~~ Investigators on campus would love to hear about this. They alone would get you a redo on your interview.",
"author": null,
"created": 1541910642,
"upvotes": 2,
"replies": {
"e9hjfza": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9hjfza/",
"text": "Yesss. Send the inquisition. You never know if they\u2019re just going to cleanse the planet. ",
"author": "someoneelseatx",
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"upvotes": 2,
"replies": {}
}
}
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"e9h34kk": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9h34kk/",
"text": "TBH you're stereotyping yourself in that respect.",
"author": null,
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"upvotes": 2,
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"e9hd2qu": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9hd2qu/",
"text": "Don\u2019t worry about yourself. Pay attention to the interviewer\u2019s problems. The problem here isn\u2019t you or Asian stereotypes or grades. It\u2019s that you got an asshole interviewer. As someone who does this myself I\u2019m horrified for you. What you need is a redo with a normal person. That\u2019s the goal so that\u2019s what your letter should aim at. \n\n(And if you want an interesting alternative, apply to a Dutch liberal arts school. Non local tuition is $15k per year and there are a lot of good teachers and a great community. We get many IBs..:.)",
"author": "davidzet",
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"upvotes": 2,
"replies": {}
},
"e9hhv7k": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9hhv7k/",
"text": "Please contact Students for Fair Admissions, they would love to help.",
"author": "branpurn",
"created": 1541951071,
"upvotes": 2,
"replies": {
"e9hklcr": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9hklcr/",
"text": "Thank you for the suggestion. I know they do good work!",
"author": "breadwinner235",
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"upvotes": 2,
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}
}
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"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gqjnp/",
"text": "He might be pressuring you to see how you handle criticism, to see if you crack under pressure. I wouldn\u2019t bring up being thank you think you were stereotyped. I\u2019ve dealt with that all my life and it has made be a better person. \n\nJust bc he was harsh on you doesn\u2019t mean he is stereotyping you. Remember Stanford been dealing with this recently, it was in the news this year/last year. \n\nPick your battles, what proof do you have that he was an asshole. it\u2019s your work against his. (Now is he has been reported multiple times the you have a case, if you\u2019re the first person get ready for battle). Besides, do you want to spend you time on this while you\u2019re still waiting for other schools. ",
"author": null,
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},
"e9go1m1": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9go1m1/",
"text": "The issue I see is his behavior can easily be construed as sexual harassment.\n\n He was hostile, sure, which looks terrible for the university, but was he also hitting on you? Having a 30- something year old male hitting on a 17-year old AND insulting them is a very bad look for the university. \n\nUtterly unacceptable.",
"author": "frequentScarcity",
"created": 1541908102,
"upvotes": 4,
"replies": {
"e9gpf0w": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gpf0w/",
"text": "I am Male. He was commenting on a random woman nearby when he made the comment. ",
"author": "breadwinner235",
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"upvotes": 5,
"replies": {
"e9heqh9": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9heqh9/",
"text": "Ok, still not acceptable behavior for a college interview. ",
"author": "frequentScarcity",
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"upvotes": 2,
"replies": {
"e9herhz": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9herhz/",
"text": "Fully agree. ",
"author": "breadwinner235",
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"upvotes": 2,
"replies": {}
}
}
}
}
}
}
},
"e9gpw3d": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gpw3d/",
"text": "Someone correct me, but isn't there a stereotype in college admissions about Asian applicants and Asian American applicants? Something about trying to keep racial diversity in the school to a certain position. \n\nI dunno, i thought I read or heard something about this type of thing happening in top schools. ",
"author": null,
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"text": "That\u2019s insane man you seem real smart just shows how tough it is wow",
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"text": "You need to tell them exactly what you felt. It isn't up to you to determine his intention. Whether or not he was intentionally making you feel stereotyped and uncomfortable doesn't matter. The fact that he did make you feel that way does. Ultimately there is a possibility they may take his side, but you need to tell them your point of view without taking his into consideration. They'll do that for you. ",
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"text": "I don't mean to be disrespectful but this is not good advice. Do not talk about how it made you feel. I know that is ultimately what matters, but it's important to negotiate this situation as a professional adult would. That means not getting into feelings and speaking in as neutral terms as possible.\n\nnote: This advice is strictly for Stanford. If we were talking about a LAC, a discussion of feelings would be more prudent but I'd still advise against it.",
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"text": "I'm not sure if there can be a discussion on being feeling stereotyped without discussing how it made OP feel. Otherwise it'll be \"the interviewer focused on discussing academics more so than other qualities I have that makes me a competitive candidate.\" Which does not imply that the interviewer was doing anything out of scope and I don't think OP's problem can exist in a vacuum where the current political climate (Harvard Admissions/stereotyping of Asians) is not taken into consideration. I think it is absolutely professional to discuss how it made OP feel. ",
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"text": "Direct quotations will easily suffice. \"I was disappointed to discover that my interviewer forgot my name because he 'only saw a beautiful girl' and thought it necessary to bring his unprofessional language and behavior to your attention.\" Something like that.\n\nTo speak bluntly, any Asian applicant who so much as mentions anything even tangentially related to the AA issue is doing themselves a great disservice. Like, great. There are ways of doing so in a way that *could* positively affect your chances, but doing so is way, way too risky. Just don't.\n\nI don't mean to imply that should be the case, but it definitely is. Keep the discussions of things like that on Reddit and in courtrooms or you're going to make things harder on yourself. ",
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"text": "[deleted]",
"author": null,
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"text": "First, don't worry too much about interviews for LACs (or any school, really) going like this. Stories like these are extremely rare, if extant nonetheless. \n\nTo address your question directly: LACs are just more holistic in their approach to applications in general and significantly more receptive to emotional content thereby. I didn't mean too much (and certainly nothing specific) by that comment. Sorry for the confusion!",
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"text": "What OP went through is incredibly rare. Most college interviewers are incredibly kind and tend to be quite relatable as they are friendly younger. Just use the interview to be yourself and put your best foot forward.\n\nBy the end of the interview, the interviewer should have a good feel for who you are as a person",
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"text": "\"Whether or not he was intentionally making you feel stereotyped and uncomfortable doesn't matter.\"\n\nUh, are you kidding me? Of course that matters.\n\nThe studen't feelings are not the interviewers responsibility. The interview's intentions and behaviors are the interviewer's responsibility. The letter should focus on the interviewer's intentions and behaviors.",
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"text": "So in this case, OP feels like the interviewer intentionally stereotyped him and asked inappropriate questions. You're right, OPs feelings are not the interviewer's responsibility just as it is not OP's responsibility to determine the interviewer's intentions because there is no way for OP to know for sure. Hence that is why I suggested that OP give his side of the story without trying to guess the interviewer's intentions outside of how the interview made him feel. Stanford can then take both sides of the story and come to a conclusion as neither OP or we are getting both sides of the story. ",
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"text": "No, it would.make you sound like a whiny fool.",
"author": "hanoian",
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"text": "Everything he did was motivated by the fact that he is a Jew and you are not a Jew. There is no excuse for your ignorance of this societal dynamic. It\u2019s 2018 and you have internet access.\n\nWhat\u2019s funny is that out of morbid curiosity you will certainly research him online now and discover that he is in fact a Jew, but you still won\u2019t believe it has any significance.",
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"e9ubvrc": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9ubvrc/",
"text": "Ahhh and you\u2019re antisemitic. Classic internet troll. You really hit all the marks.",
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"text": "Stanford faculty here. I concur with writing a letter to the relevant admissions office. I certainly don't speak for the university or my specific school, but I can't imagine our med school tolerating this level of unprofessional conduct from an interviewer.",
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"text": "Reasonably certain you're the wonderful brains (?Dr Eric) behind the YouTube channel. As an aside, thank you-- Your content helped me through some dark and long stretches. I would listen to your videos on my commutes and I was comforted by your gentle and enthusiastic approach to teaching. PGY1 NSGY resident, and doubtful I'd have made it without you. Thank you, with all my heart.",
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"e9hmyxh": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9hmyxh/",
"text": "Yep, that's me! Thanks so much for the message, and glad that my videos were helpful! I hope intern year isn't beating you up too much.",
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"text": "Stanford med? Represent ",
"author": "Adubyale",
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"text": "As a faculty member at Stanford, I second this with all my heart. We work so hard to make the students feel welcome, but that work can always be endangered by any bad seed.\n\nPlease write a factual letter to admissions. They take these matters very seriously and will come back to you.",
"author": "gardas603",
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"text": "Yeah, I'd be demanding a refund. No way I'm paying to get insulted... I don't have that kind of money.",
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"text": ">For future interviews, though, do make sure that you can explain your research in great detail without notes. That is pretty important, for what it's worth.\n\nNot just \"pretty important\", but absolutely paramount. \n\nu/breadwinner235 not being able to describe your research properly is an awful, awful, *awful* mistake. When I interview people who claim some kind of knowledge or experience in research, I question them at length on it precisely because a fair number of students will skate by on others' work and overstate their contribution. Questioning is how I figure out if the student has actually put the effort in or if they're pretending. When you can't coherently describe your work, you're put in the \"pretender\" camp and it weighs very heavily on you, effectively removing your experience from the list of things that you have achieved. \n\nI've also been in interviews where the interviewers' primary jobs were to be aggressive and to make me doubt myself, even going so far as to pretend to be offended at things I'd said. It's not easy, but they are situations you have to learn to manage tactfully. It's a legitimate interview style. Probably not for HS kids though, so you can't excuse him for that. ",
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"text": "Well, that can be a little unfair. Sometimes student researchers are just given a laundry list of things to do, a little background, and some suggested literature to read to get them going. Even as a master's student I can't explain the intricacies or every single goal of what I'm doing right now. Some things take a lot of experience and education to really articulate in a great manner. ",
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"text": "But the important point here is that I only question people on the work they claimed to do. If they claim they did the majority of the research, and are placed as the first author, then they need to be able to communicate their work. Too many students get onto publications because their parents are researchers, and I have to distinguish them from the students who actually know their shit. \n\nIf you're going to put bold claims about what your contribution was to the scientific work, then you should expect to be tested on it. ",
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"text": "Oh, definitely for authorship ",
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"text": "Hi, thanks for your reply. I did describe it all in detail just couldn\u2019t remember some long ass formula... I will remember it for the future though. \nEssentially though the extended essay research project was entirely independent so there wasn\u2019t much possibility of me skating by and having doubts over contribution tbf. ",
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"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9h7jbo/",
"text": "When you can't remember the quantitative answer, give a qualitative one. \nEg, if you can't rememver f=m*v, say the faster you travel and the heavier you are, the more momentum you gain. It makes you look like you popularize science, good for others not having your background ;-)",
"author": "StevenK71",
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"text": "I've had students submit \"entirely independent\" research to competitions before, only for it to become exceedingly obvious that it was the *teacher's* work, or completed under the teacher's very heavy guidance. Just because it's supposed to be your work doesn't mean it always is. ",
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"e9gyrhh": {
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"text": "It\u2019s a shitty interview style. It\u2019s completely unnecessary.",
"author": "smartenmartian",
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"text": "I never said otherwise. Just because it's shit doesn't mean that it suddenly pops out of existence. It is a legitimate interview style that is employed sometimes, definitely to a lesser degree but certainly employed, and is even more common in more high-stakes interviews. \n\nIf you have ambitions that would lead you to those interviews, then you need to be prepared for the interviewers to behave in a somewhat antagonistic fashion, calling into doubt your achievements, and generally trying to get you to back yourself into a corner so that you then have to take back things you've said, or push you until you admit you don't know something. \n\nYou have to accept that it's something that exists at those higher levels if you want to prepare yourself for it. It's totally unjustified at this level, but it *is* an interview style in parts. I can tell you that because I just sat in one a few weeks ago, and I'll sit in another in a few more weeks. ",
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"text": "I earned a PhD in (at the time) the number one program in the nation (possibly world). I have worked in Centers of Excellence and at NIH. I have been addressed disrespectfully by academics only twice\u2014both by Ivy Leaguers who dismissed me at the time because I look younger than my age 40 at the time). The only people I\u2019ve ever heard speak in such a narcissistic manner were all Ivy Leaguers. \n\nThis type of behavior is absolutely NOT tolerated anywhere I\u2019ve been in academia. In fact, this kind of behavior would have resulted in a formal complaint and possibly in firing. It demonstrates extremely poor judgment and abuse of power. \n\nHostile intimidation of interviewees is completely unnecessary and unprofessional. Grill them hard on their research as much as you want, but ask them questions that allow them to put their best selves forward. These are supposed to be people who have huge potential, but they are still becoming, not completely finished. There are more effective techniques than puerile power moves and wildly inappropriate comments in an entrance interview.",
"author": "smartenmartian",
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"text": "Again, I *never* said I experienced it in academia. Most of the aggressive interviews I've had have been given by panels of experts in politics and international relations-type areas. They absolutely can be brutal. \n\n**And**, that style is never the totality of the interview. Interviewers use it in small pieces throughout 1-2 hours of questioning, and they'll only push it for a few minutes of that time *at most*. That's why I'm saying it's not okay for the interviewer to have acted that way to OP, and why it's 100% inappropriate in any sense for a HS student who absolutely cannot be expected to be well-trained in interviews like that. They may have never had any interview in their entire life. Their interviews should be casual discussions that are mutually beneficial, and where the interviewee has the opportunity to demonstrate character and passion that they couldn't convey on paper. \n\nYou need to seriously stop putting words in my mouth, and stop arguing against a position *I never took*. ",
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"e9gztsd": {
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"text": "Context is everything. The topic is an ENTRANCE interview, and that interview style is completely inappropriate for an entrance interview. Get over yourself. ",
"author": "smartenmartian",
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"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9h09o7/",
"text": "And at every stage, I have said that it is inappropriate for this level.\n\n>you can't excuse him for that\n\n>It's totally unjustified at this level\n\n>it's not okay for the interviewer to have acted that way to OP\n\nPlease actually read what I said in totality before you jump down my throat because of an opinion you're assuming I have. \n\nSometimes interviewers will push interviewees on certain subjects or will push them on answers they've given. For any student who is quite nervous or shy, it's important they know that so they can be mentally prepared for it. They definitely won't be grilled to the extent that OP was, but if they make a statement then they should expect to have to back it up. It's generally not a great idea to use words like \"always\" or \"never\" because you can be trapped if you have, in fact, *not* \"always\" or \"never\" believed in something. If they claim to have a certain character trait, it's reasonable to be pressed to give an example of where you displayed that trait. Or if you say one thing and later contradict yourself.\n\nAgain, it will not be rude and racist, but it can push you into uncomfortable territory if you're asked for a second example, or questioned on your specific role in research, especially if you're not prepared for that. \n\nThe best advice is to think seriously about what they want to do in life, why they want to go to that university, what's special about that university, and their overarching \"story\" in general. You can twist that to answer any question and to shift gears on the spot far better than if you memorise your response to 100 stock-standard questions. Learn the big, common ones, but be prepared to be thrown off track at times. \n\nMy only position on this is:\n\n1. OP's interviewer is a dick and needs to be reported\n\n2. Some interviews can be uncomfortable and the interviewers can grill you on things sometimes\n\n3. It's important to really know the basic stuff you know you want to talk about so that you *can* answer the tough questions tactfully, and possibly dig yourself out of a hole in a respectable way\n\nThat's it. That's my position. If you're going to be really rude to someone and start flashing around your qualifications from the \"number one program in the world\", at least pick someone who actually disagrees with you. We both agree that this interview style is totally inappropriate for a HS student. I'm sure there are plenty of people on this thread who think otherwise, so go argue with them. You can't change my mind if we already agree. ",
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"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gzlxi/",
"text": "Oh, and my specialty in research? Interviewing.",
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"e9gyrsp": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gyrsp/",
"text": "> it\u2019s a crapty interview style. it\u2019s completely unnecessary.\n\n\nFTFY",
"author": "CMBDeletebot",
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"e9hncdc": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9hncdc/",
"text": "Your post is uninteresting and not creative you won't fit in this Stanford thread.",
"author": "NewUser6613",
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"e9gsr8p": {
"link": "/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/9vw5qw/i_got_roasted_in_my_stanford_interview_yesterday/e9gsr8p/",
"text": "> I agree that the guy is just an asshole and probably not a racist. \n\ndoubt it",
"author": "notParticularlyAnony",
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"text": "ok what the actual fuck. please report him. ",
"author": "rileyohannan",
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"text": "I\u2019d love to see that academic work a real job - go become a surgeon and have actual responsibilities other than just bringing in grant money (more of my fing taxes). ",
"author": null,
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"text": "If you don\u2019t think academic work is real work, then I don\u2019t think you\u2019re going to like the university environment.\n\nIt is one thing to conclude this individual is a jerk. When you dismiss his profession as being something less than \u201creal\u201d work, you insult all academics.\n\nAmazed that dozens of people on a board dedicated to *getting into college* upvoted the sentiment. ",
"author": "FeatofClay",
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"text": "I think that most people on this subreddit want to get into college not because the love learning or academics, but to place them into a better (socially accepted and higher paying) career. Therefore, they look down on academics who were not able to find a \"real\" job, which they consider the purpose of attending a university, especially an elite one.",
"author": "a2cisuseful",
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"text": "Well, that may be the case. If so, one of my greatest hopes is that along the way, they will also discover a passion for learning and a sense of shared purpose with some of their professors. I don\u2019t mean indoctrinating them into the cult of \u201cdo-nothing\u201d academe (although that will happen to some of them! We will suck some of the brightest into the PhD career track!) but the discovery that some area of study is just so truly fascinating that it will be a thing they stay curious about their whole lives. I used to help administer a big survey of undergrads, and when we asked them about their most meaningful experiences on campus, the answers make it clear that this does happen for some students. \n\nOn the bright side: since I\u2019ve outed myself as a person without the chops to have a real job, this may cut down on applicant requests to read their essays. Maybe I should change my flair?",
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"text": "Most academics are overqualified for any \u201creal\u201d job. It\u2019s ridiculous to suggest that academia isn\u2019t a real job.",
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"text": "I didn't say I agreed, I just voiced my opinion as to why people may be acting in the way that /u/FeatofClay described.",
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"text": "Aren\u2019t they just being sarcastic? Mimicking the interviewer\u2019s tone. ",
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"text": "Yah well try going to college three times in a row and then let me know how you feel. During this time, maintain a near 4.0 gpa for the first 8 years so that you can do what you want for the rest of your life.\n\nAfter a while the smoke and mirrors break down and you start to catch on that 90% of academic study is complete crap. They are not better than you, they just have chosen to be weirdos and study one small aspect of one small field because it is ultimately easier than navigating the real world.\nIt becomes clear to you that they have created an environment where they cannot be truly held accountable. As long as they are productive for a while early in their career, and then write a book here or there that no one will read they are good enough for that institution. \n\nSome how our society is quick to blame cops for doing a job that has real repercussions to the decisions that are made, but we also make statements like HOW DARE you blame someone in HIGHER EDUCATION! \n\nTheir time will come, though. Some sort of revolution with young people will happen and the system will be overhauled. ",
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"text": "Well isn\u2019t that what you\u2019re talking about? Someone who is a PhD probably did go two or three times. Depending on whether they got their masters or not between BA and PhD. \n\nAs for the rest of it, I think you\u2019ve clearly made up your mind about what academics do. My post was not meant to be a pearl-clutching \u201chow dare you;\u201d if I were going to go down that road I probably talk about world-changing work being carried out by academics. But I pushed back because I think it\u2019s flawed and relies on generalizations that (in my view) don\u2019t hold up. And I remain surprised that this view is embraced by so many people who are working so hard to insert themselves into that world\u2014and in many cases pay to do it. Perhaps a substantial number of applicants here think that all professors are worthless, and they are therefore dreading the fact that they have to sit at their feet for four years to get the piece of paper that they believe they must have to succeed in life. Setting aside other arguments about why that attitude might be a little narrow, maybe they should consider revisiting it because it sounds like a really *miserable* way to spend eight semesters. Rather than HOW DARE YOU, I am saying, applicants, think about this some more, given what you\u2019re signing up for. Consider believing that along the way, you might meet some amazing academics who are good at what they do, whose work matters, and who might change your life. Next time you are in an interview or on a college tour, consider asking your informant to tell you about a professor they especially admired.\n\n\n\n",
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