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Notes from Tom's slides:
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Re: KrokMalteseMistryEtAl23 and the timing of phasic and ACh signals:
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Combining BG Trace and Local BG Critic learning mechanismsBG Trace learningThe usual delayed reward outcome problem looms over the motor sequence learning space: final up / down DA signal only comes after a sequence of actions over time has resulted in either getting the reward or giving up / hitting a wall etc. The trace learning mechanism in
A key advantage of the BOA goal engagement mechanisms is that it provides a "biochemically explicit" definition of this goal-engaged window: from the onset of the VS goal engagement gating to the final VS goal-clearing gating.
As in Kevin's reservoir-based models, we also need significant input from the M1 and ALM PTp layers, which have dynamic unfolding activation states, to drive novel action sequences etc. Local DS critic mechanismPer the initial message in this discussion (OP), we can now consider how the "local critic" mechanism can interact with the overall BG trace credit assignment.
Test CaseNeed a simple focal test case ala PCore where we can explore these mechanisms! Something with a simple action space -- maybe just like the BOA task where you have to go L or R some number of times and then forward to get to a goal, then consume... Can vary length of sequence. Perceptual input indicates how far goal is L or R etc. Just fake the whole goal outer-loop on it so we dispense with all that machinery... |
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Dorsal vs. Ventral Credit Assignment IssuesPer Jed: how can the system "intelligently" assign credit for the nature of the outcome to the ventral BOA goal system, so the dorsal BG action selection system isn't punished because the food was spoiled. Because OFC has an explicit representation of the target outcome, it seems plausible that this outcome-specific difference can be "absorbed" there somehow.. Need to think about what mechanisms might make that happen. We do have plenty of options in terms of VTA vs. SNc dopamine, and lots of control from ventral striatum -> dorsal. Conversely, a key credit assignment learning dynamic for dorsal is finding "shortcuts" that result in reduced overall effort / pain etc, producing a greater net effort-discounted DA value. Thus, overall, dorsal DA should be focused on these effort-related differences, while ventral is focused on outcome-related differences. |
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Specific task designBasic BOA ArmMaze
Advantages:
Disadvantages
Start with BOA and then progress from there. |
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How does the DLS (dorsolateral striatum) contribute to motor control?First, there is a substantial and growing literature showing that the DS and VS have very different properties (e.g., MohebiPettiboneHamidEtAl19), so everything we've learned about VS in context of BOA likely does not apply here. Historically, there are two conflicting theories about the role of the BG in motor control:
Problems with Action SelectionThere are a number of problems with this model, with some of the major conceptual issues being:
Key "design" questions
Overall, a first pass take is that the GrillnerThompson21 model sounds promising, within a broader view of the DLS as a kind of editor of motor signals: it edits descending signals (inhibiting and disinhibiting the original signals to tune the motor commands), and these edits shape learning in the cortex to improve the quality of the signals in the first place. Overall, such a functional role is very similar to the widely-accepted understanding of cerebellar function, raising the important question as to how these two systems might differ? A simple distinction is that cerebellum fixes finer-grained errors while DLS helps to learn broader time-scale sequencing. But it is very tempting to also say "action selection" here: perhaps the dynamic modulation and learning influences end up shaping action selection over iterations of learning? Sections below explore recent literature with above issues in mind. |
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Overall nice review of action selection vs dynamic modulation frameworks, supporting the latter. Evidence that BG encodes continuous movement parameters:
Papers to follow up on:
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KlausAlvesdaSilvaCosta19Klaus, A., Alves da Silva, J., & Costa, R. M. (2019). What, if, and when to move: Basal ganglia circuits and self-paced action initiation. Annual Review of Neuroscience, 42, 459–483. https://doi.org/10.1146/annurev-neuro-072116-031033
YttriDudman16Yttri, E. A., & Dudman, J. T. (2016). Opponent and bidirectional control of movement velocity in the basal ganglia. Nature, 533(7603), Article 7603. https://doi.org/10.1038/nature17639
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GrillnerThompson 21Grillner, S., & Thompson, W. S. (2021). Basal ganglia reign through downstream control of motor centers in midbrain and brain stem while updating cortex with efference copy information. Neuron, 109(10), 1587–1589. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.neuron.2021.04.015 Note: doesn't actually make point about efferent copy driving learning in cortex -- talk more in terms of information:
Also, this does not exclude a strong learning role, which would happen very early in development -- this is a general issue with most of the DLS literature on shaping learning in cortex, and why the novel BCI learning is so important.
TODO: look into GPi and higher order functionality. GrillnerRobertson16Grillner, S., & Robertson, B. (2016). The Basal Ganglia Over 500 Million Years. Current Biology, 26(20), R1088–R1100. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cub.2016.06.041
Or, perhaps the thalamic input sets up the action-specific coding: central lateral hitting spines vs. PF on shafts -- one of these is likely to be the "driver". PF is more from ventral / modulatory?? need to figure this part out.
TODO: must add Kir to model!
This is the key VSGpi pathway in PVLV model for driving LHb phasic dipping!! So perhaps the GPh -> Hab -> RMTg pathway is the entirety of the original phasic DA, and the Amygdala part came in later??
GrillnerRobertsonKotaleski20Grillner, S., Robertson, B., & Kotaleski, J. H. (2020). Basal Ganglia—A Motion Perspective. In Comprehensive Physiology (pp. 1241–1275). John Wiley & Sons, Ltd. https://doi.org/10.1002/cphy.c190045 NOTE: this is a great review paper with all manner of useful references and ideas.
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McElvainChenMooreEtAl21McElvain, L. E., Chen, Y., Moore, J. D., Brigidi, G. S., Bloodgood, B. L., Lim, B. K., Costa, R. M., & Kleinfeld, D. (2021). Specific populations of basal ganglia output neurons target distinct brain stem areas while collateralizing throughout the diencephalon. Neuron, 109(10), 1721-1738.e4. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.neuron.2021.03.017
todo: need to learn more about PPN!
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TurnerDesmurget10Turner, R. S., & Desmurget, M. (2010). Basal ganglia contributions to motor control: A vigorous tutor. Current Opinion in Neurobiology, 20(6), 704–716. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.conb.2010.08.022 Key, widely-cited paper: slow build to central hypothesis: BG is for learning new motor skills. Once that is done, it retains a role in motivationally-driven modulation of motor gain, but little else. From model perspective, motivational modulation is what drives learning so it all makes sense.
Key question: are these the things that are impaired with cerebellar lesions? presumably. This represents a clear dissociation if so.
so boring!? what's the point? key missing perspective: early development is when BG does its job -- rest of the time it is just waiting for something new to learn, and regulating things accordig to motivational variables??
BG and learning, but not retention
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PhillipsSchulmannHaraEtAl19Phillips, J. W., Schulmann, A., Hara, E., Winnubst, J., Liu, C., Valakh, V., Wang, L., Shields, B. C., Korff, W., Chandrashekar, J., Lemire, A. L., Mensh, B., Dudman, J. T., Nelson, S. B., & Hantman, A. W. (2019). A repeated molecular architecture across thalamic pathways. Nature Neuroscience, 22(11), 1925–1935. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41593-019-0483-3
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FosterBarryKorobkovaEtAl21Foster, N. N., Barry, J., Korobkova, L., Garcia, L., Gao, L., Becerra, M., Sherafat, Y., Peng, B., Li, X., Choi, J.-H., Gou, L., Zingg, B., Azam, S., Lo, D., Khanjani, N., Zhang, B., Stanis, J., Bowman, I., Cotter, K., … Dong, H.-W. (2021). The mouse cortico–basal ganglia–thalamic network. Nature, 598(7879), Article 7879. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-021-03993-3 Definitive anatomical tracing through the whole BG loop: it really is a loop! Also, is it really legal to have a paper so full of acronyms, that does not appear to define many of them, and has no central loop table?
PF thalamusThis remains more segregated throughout the loops, as shown in above figure. Note that ECT / TEa (lateral IT areas) project into striatum but do not get a PF return prjn (open loop), but Perirhinal does have a PF loop. Notably, the "sensory associative" areas also seem open loop, where ORBital gets the return. The striatal projections from some of these hit both the closed loop and an open loop through trunk. VM thalamus
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PF ThalamusFallonHughesSeverinoEtAl23
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Kuramoto et al on VM vs. VLKuramotoOhnoFurutaEtAl15
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AokiSmithLiEtAl19Aoki, S., Smith, J. B., Li, H., Yan, X., Igarashi, M., Coulon, P., Wickens, J. R., Ruigrok, T. J., & Jin, X. (2019). An open cortico-basal ganglia loop allows limbic control over motor output via the nigrothalamic pathway. eLife, 8, e49995. https://doi.org/10.7554/eLife.49995
TS = Tail of striatum (?)
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Recent computational models of BG sequence learningCalderonVergutsFrank21 ACDC modelCalderon, C. B., Verguts, T., & Frank, M. J. (2021). Thunderstruck: The ACDC model of flexible sequences and rhythms in recurrent neural circuits (p. 2021.04.07.438842). https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.04.07.438842 ACDC = Associative Cluster-Dependent Chain
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LogiacoAbbottEscola21Logiaco, L., Abbott, L. F., & Escola, S. (2021). Thalamic control of cortical dynamics in a model of flexible motor sequencing. Cell Reports, 35(9), 109090. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.celrep.2021.109090
KaoSadabadiHennequin21Kao, T.-C., Sadabadi, M. S., & Hennequin, G. (2021). Optimal anticipatory control as a theory of motor preparation: A thalamo-cortical circuit model. Neuron, 109(9), 1567-1581.e12. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.neuron.2021.03.009
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Churchland et al: Monkey Motor CortexZimnikChurchland21Zimnik, A. J., & Churchland, M. M. (2021). Independent generation of sequence elements by motor cortex. Nature Neuroscience, 24(3), Article 3. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41593-021-00798-5
KaufmanSeelySussilloEtAl16Kaufman, M. T., Seely, J. S., Sussillo, D., Ryu, S. I., Shenoy, K. V., & Churchland, M. M. (2016). The Largest Response Component in the Motor Cortex Reflects Movement Timing but Not Movement Type. eNeuro, 3(4). https://doi.org/10.1523/ENEURO.0085-16.2016
yeah its the BG -> VM.. SussilloChurchlandKaufmanEtAl15Sussillo, D., Churchland, M. M., Kaufman, M. T., & Shenoy, K. V. (2015). A neural network that finds a naturalistic solution for the production of muscle activity. Nature Neuroscience, 18(7), Article 7. https://doi.org/10.1038/nn.4042 PSTH for 5 different neurons (a) and 5 neurons from strongly regularized model (b). unconstrained model did not look like the real data.
DacreColliganAmmerEtAl19Dacre, J., Colligan, M., Ammer, J., Schiemann, J., Clarke, T., Chamosa-Pino, V., Claudi, F., Harston, J. A., Eleftheriou, C., Pakan, J. M. P., Huang, C.-C., Hantman, A., Rochefort, N. L., & Duguid, I. (2019). Cerebellar-recipient motor thalamus drives behavioral context-specific movement initiation (p. 802124). bioRxiv. https://doi.org/10.1101/802124
SauerbreiGuoCohenEtAl19Sauerbrei, B. A., Guo, J.-Z., Cohen, J. D., Mischiati, M., Guo, W., Kabra, M., Verma, N., Mensh, B., Branson, K., & Hantman, A. W. (2019). Cortical pattern generation during dexterous movement is input-driven. Nature, 1–6. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-019-1869-9
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Dorsal Striosomes and Local Credit AssignmentSummary:
Thus, the DLS striosomes are under BOA control, driving local SNc DA according to goal/outcome-related information, not according to specific motor plans. GerfenBolam16Gerfen, C. R., & Bolam, J. P. (2016). Chapter 1—The Neuroanatomical Organization of the Basal Ganglia. In H. Steiner & K. Y. Tseng (Eds.), Handbook of Behavioral Neuroscience (Vol. 24, pp. 3–32). Elsevier. https://doi.org/10.1016/B978-0-12-802206-1.00001-5
BerendseGalis-DeGraafGroenewegen92Berendse, H. W., Galis-De Graaf, Y., & Groenewegen, H. J. (1992). Topographical organization and relationship with ventral striatal compartments of prefrontal corticostriatal projections in the rat. The Journal of Comparative Neurology, 316(3), 314–347. http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/cne.903160305
It does not look like AGm = medial agranular motor cortex projects much to patches.
RagsdaleGraybiel90Ragsdale, C. W., & Graybiel, A. M. (1990). A simple ordering of neocortical areas established by the compartmental organization of their striatal projections. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 87(16), 6196–6199. https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.87.16.6196 Note: this is in cats -- not much dlPFC to look at here:
Bottom line is that DLS patch gets ACC 24, some of OFC -- this is not really the motor program actually.. more BOA level inputs. Consistent with a general story that patch gets preferentially "limbic" inputs. FlahertyGraybiel93aFlaherty, A. W., & Graybiel, A. M. (1993). Two input systems for body representations in the primate striatal matrix: Experimental evidence in the squirrel monkey. Journal of Neuroscience, 13(3), 1120–1137. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7680067
EblenGraybiel95Eblen, F., & Graybiel, A. M. (1995). Highly restricted origin of prefrontal cortical inputs to striosomes in the macaque monkey. Journal of Neuroscience, 15, 5999. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7666184
Watabe-UchidaZhuOgawaEtAI12Watabe-Uchida, M., Zhu, L., Ogawa, S. K., Vamanrao, A., & Uchida, N. (2012). Whole-brain mapping of direct inputs to midbrain dopamine neurons. Neuron, 74, 858–873. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22681690
ParentParent06Parent, M., & Parent, A. (2006). Single-axon tracing study of corticostriatal projections arising from primary motor cortex in primates. The Journal of Comparative Neurology, 496, 202–213. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16538675
GuoLiHuberEtAl14 ALM paperLocation of ALM: bregma + 2.5mm -- fairly anterior and lateral. source areas from BerendseGalis-DeGraafGroenewegen92 closest to ALM: a bit medial and thus in dorsal ACC / 24, not ALM, but closest case shown: |
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Cerebellum, and <-> BG more generallyCaligiorePezzuloBaldassarreEtAl17Caligiore, D., Pezzulo, G., Baldassarre, G., Bostan, A. C., Strick, P. L., Doya, K., Helmich, R. C., Dirkx, M., Houk, J., Jörntell, H., Lago-Rodriguez, A., Galea, J. M., Miall, R. C., Popa, T., Kishore, A., Verschure, P. F. M. J., Zucca, R., & Herreros, I. (2017). Consensus paper: Towards a systems-level view of cerebellar function: the interplay between cerebellum, basal ganglia, and cortex. Cerebellum (London, England), 16(1), 203–229. https://doi.org/10.1007/s12311-016-0763-3 Bostan & Strick
a) is projections to pontine nuclei from cortex. It is pretty interesting how sparse it is from 9 / 46 and v/m PFC. But parietal is pretty strongly interconnected. Also S1 seems strangely sparse!
ChenFremontArteaga-BrachoEtAl14Chen, C. H., Fremont, R., Arteaga-Bracho, E. E., & Khodakhah, K. (2014). Short latency cerebellar modulation of the basal ganglia. Nature Neuroscience, 17(12), Article 12. https://doi.org/10.1038/nn.3868
PisanoDhanerawalaKislinEtAl21Pisano, T. J., Dhanerawala, Z. M., Kislin, M., Bakshinskaya, D., Engel, E. A., Hansen, E. J., Hoag, A. T., Lee, J., de Oude, N. L., Venkataraju, K. U., Verpeut, J. L., Hoebeek, F. E., Richardson, B. D., Boele, H.-J., & Wang, S. S.-H. (2021). Homologous organization of cerebellar pathways to sensory, motor, and associative forebrain. Cell Reports, 36(12), 109721. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.celrep.2021.109721 Wealth of connectivity data! Cerebellum -> cortex:
KangJunBaekEtAl21Kang, S., Jun, S., Baek, S. J., Park, H., Yamamoto, Y., & Tanaka-Yamamoto, K. (2021). Recent Advances in the Understanding of Specific Efferent Pathways Emerging From the Cerebellum. Frontiers in Neuroanatomy, 15. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnana.2021.759948
KebschullRichmanRingachEtAl20Kebschull, J. M., Richman, E. B., Ringach, N., Friedmann, D., Albarran, E., Kolluru, S. S., Jones, R. C., Allen, W. E., Wang, Y., Cho, S. W., Zhou, H., Ding, J. B., Chang, H. Y., Deisseroth, K., Quake, S. R., & Luo, L. (2020). Cerebellar nuclei evolved by repeatedly duplicating a conserved cell-type set. Science, 370(6523), eabd5059. https://doi.org/10.1126/science.abd5059 SengulWatson15Sengul, G., & Watson, C. (2015). Chapter 8—Ascending and Descending Pathways in the Spinal Cord. In G. Paxinos (Ed.), The Rat Nervous System (Fourth Edition) (pp. 115–130). Academic Press. https://doi.org/10.1016/B978-0-12-374245-2.00008-5 Plenty of efferent copy signals going to the DCN.
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SNr recordingsThe single most informative type of data for BG influence over motor control would be direct recordings from SNr. Surprisingly, this is relatively rare data -- so many recordings of MSNs, so little from SNr / GPi! BarterLiSukharnikovaEtAl15Barter, J. W., Li, S., Sukharnikova, T., Rossi, M. A., Bartholomew, R. A., & Yin, H. H. (2015). Basal Ganglia Outputs Map Instantaneous Position Coordinates during Behavior. Journal of Neuroscience, 35(6), 2703–2716. https://doi.org/10.1523/JNEUROSCI.3245-14.2015 Shows modulation of eye movement parameters in individual SNr outputs LarryZurJoshua24, ZurLarryJoshua23Larry, N., Zur, G., & Joshua, M. (2024). Organization of reward and movement signals in the basal ganglia and cerebellum. Nature Communications, 15(1), 2119. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-024-45921-9 Zur, G., Larry, N., & Joshua, M. (2023). High-Dimensional Encoding of Movement by Single Neurons in Basal Ganglia Output. bioRxiv, 2023–05. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.05.17.541090.abstract SNr has higher dimensional, sharper firing for smooth eye pursuit actions, compared to other areas. Falasconi, Kanodia, Arber, in prep (at GRC meeting)
Very strong evidence of specific disinhibition of brainstem motor (lateral rostral medulla = latRM) by individual SNr neurons. |
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Motor Learning Mechanisms
This discussion started with some initial notes and ideas in the first few entries, and then developed into a full-scale lit review, starting at: #294 (comment).
Original starting idea
Per Tom Hazy's recent discussion of dorsal-lateral BG DA signals.
Hypothesis: There are mechanisms for localized phasic DA learning signals in dorsal striatum to train BG action gating under the guidance of an overall maintained Goal / Plan (plan in dlPFC / ALM). To the extent that an action selected in SMA / M1 is unexpected relative to the maintained plan (e.g., due to specific sensory / timing circumstances as the plan unfolds), it could drive phasic DA to update the BG gating next time around.
BG (matrisomal) gating of action directly disinhibits SNc DA, driving phasic DA bursts at action / plan onset. Evidence of such bursts in MarkowitzGillisJayEtAI23 -- lots of ongoing phasic DA during spontaneous behavior -- sometimes bursts vs. flat vs. dips..
paired striosomes can shunt these DA bursts (? BrownSmithGoldbloom98) -- also classic Joel paper.
RagsdaleGraybiel90 shows hierarchical pattern of connectivity into striosomes vs. matrisomes: "higher" (goal) areas project to lower area striosomes.
Per Alan: KrokMalteseMistryEtAl23 show that ACh tends to precede DA -- consistent with ACh disinhibiting gating followed by DA reflecting above evaluation of gating.
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