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Standard names: *Propose a new physical parameter for net radiation at surface* #237

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YueLi92 opened this issue Nov 14, 2024 · 7 comments
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CMIP7 Vocabulary proposals for CMIP7 variables standard name (added by template) Requests and discussions for standard names and other controlled vocabulary

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YueLi92 commented Nov 14, 2024

CMIP7 Land & Land Ice Data Request Author Team
Net radiation flux at the surface
Proposer's name: Yue Li
Date: Nov 13, 2024

Based on the recent literature, https://gmd.copernicus.org/articles/17/1869/2024/, there is no standard name to represent the net radiation flux at the surface (should be identical to the sum of the net shortwave radiation and net longwave radiation at the surface). This would be important for the L&LI data request opportunity.

Please find the proposed new standard names of net radiation at the surface below. Thank you!

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srfrad, surface_net_radiation_flux, W m-2
Net radiative flux at the surface

@YueLi92 YueLi92 added add to cfeditor (added by template) Moderators are requested to add this proposal to the CF editor standard name (added by template) Requests and discussions for standard names and other controlled vocabulary labels Nov 14, 2024
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Thank you for your proposal. These terms will be added to the cfeditor (http://cfeditor.ceda.ac.uk/proposals/1) shortly. Your proposal will then be reviewed and commented on by the community and Standard Names moderator.

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@YueLi92. Thanks for your posting. Actually there is a standard name surface_net_downward_radiative_flux, which is the sum of surface_net_downward_shortwave_flux and surface_net_downward_longwave_flux. Is that what you mean?

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YueLi92 commented Nov 14, 2024

@JonathanGregory Yes, thank you. It is what I need. But it does not have a short variable name in the Data Request database. So I propose a short name "srfrad" in the Airtable. This case can be closed now.

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this is outside the responsibility of CF, but past experience suggests that rather than requesting net radiation, you should instead request the upwelling and downwelling SW and LW flux components. This provides a much richer opportunity for analysis (e.g., enabling evaluation of the surface albedo. For an energy budget analysis of the ice, you would also need, of course, the latent and sensible heat flux components. Bottom line is that I would suggest replacing the net radiative flux with all of the surface heat flux components, rather than the sum of a few of them.

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YueLi92 commented Nov 15, 2024

@taylor13 Thank you. We actually got feedback from the modeling center that requiring all the shortwave, longwave downward and upward radiation is very tedious especially for 3hr output. The output will occupy a significant storage space. Thus, we only require a full set of radiation output as the priority 2 rather than priority 1, due to the storage consideration.

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Thanks for your replies, @YueLi92. If I understand you correctly, you don't need a new standard name, because you can use surface_net_downward_radiative_flux. You do want a CMIP short name for the quantity, but that's not something CF can help with. If that's all correct then, as you say, we can close this issue now.

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YueLi92 commented Nov 15, 2024

You're correct. This issue can be closed now. Thanks.

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